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No-Self and Buddhism |#> In relation to the comparison of the 2 religions Hindu and Buddhism is this |#> where 'non self' was introduced. My understanding of non self was for the |#> other religions in India at the time, now defined as Hindu, and their belief |#> that more than just kamma was transfered duringtheir rebirth. So to |#> differentiate between the two, nonself was introduced. Hence in Buddhism it |#> is only the kamma, not spirit caste etc. |# Yes this is I think what happened. Partly Anatman (no-soul) was |# introduced to specifically repudiate the Upanishadic tradition of |# Atman having a permanent essential nature (identical with Brahma). |# |# However it also those of us that have grown up in a Christian |# influenced society which also believes in a soul. | Is this to be let go of? Is this an attachment on *I,me,my*? yes | Personally if I go, sobeit, my soul was attached to my shoe and can remain | there:-p apparently this means you've realized the conditional reality of that so many like to identify as a central identity | Just my kamma account will remain open for the next life (describing it | this way is also an attachment). karma as an adhesion dissappears except socially when examined critically, just as the notion of an atman vaporizes with any consistent attention | That's why I try to assist others rather than just look after myself | (a norm of todays society). convention. self-interest; being helpful to get karma-points | Respectively the first will help my kamma account the later my bank account | but would not be any use next life around. karma account -- variables on how to close it; some suggest that a Zero Sum balance is needed = 0 with no positive or negative karma; some suggest that you need a positive balance; some say that karma is not the determining factor bank account -- this pertains only to your range of dominion | Maybe if our fear is - what about my soul? Why not concider the kamma | account instead. What is the difference? the difference is that the soul is continual identity | If with Christianity, would the kamma be satisfactory for judgement (is that | why hell is envisaged with red). a very good question; typically the karma would have to be tallied by the Cosmic God in order to have any bearing on the Judgment | Is the soul to focus on *your* only life, hence the need for part of | *you* to go the heaven with *your* kamma? quite correct | Personally if you can go to heaven/hell after death, how can you not then be | reincarnated. Is this a reincarnation anyway? no, because the idea is that the meat-body is left behind, or transmuted into the heavenly realm ('ascended bodily', as special legendary persons) and changed into some 'perfect' substance | In the bible others are writting *their* version of an occurence, the | Dhamma is a quote of what was said by Buddha or other monks at a site. too simplistic. suffice it to say that religious tracts are unreliable | By having people write their version is this tainted by their *self* and transmitted through a tradition this taints it by virtue of some kind of reputation to uphold (school's authority, master's level, etc.)