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		<title>Nagasiva at 10:48, 11 May 2024</title>
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		<title>Nagasiva: add to cat dozen</title>
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		<title>Nagasiva: ignorance</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ignorance&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;PRE&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Glory of Ignorance&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
recently there was mention in NondualitySalon of the value&lt;br /&gt;
 of eliminating ignorance. as the apparently lone expositor&lt;br /&gt;
 of the Avidyana (Vehicle of Ignorance) tradition, it is my &lt;br /&gt;
 duty to defend the sadly neglected and maligned skill of &lt;br /&gt;
 ignorance which serves as the foundation from which most &lt;br /&gt;
 if not all knowledge-based mystical paths obtain their authority&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
to ignore a thing is to, intentionally or no, keep it from&lt;br /&gt;
 one's conscious attentions. as a child the ability to ignore&lt;br /&gt;
 portions of our oceanic and chaotic experience is one of the &lt;br /&gt;
 first skills we learn. without it we would never develop&lt;br /&gt;
 a personality, orient to the world, or focus on tasks&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
as we grow up we are informed by guides like parents and&lt;br /&gt;
 teachers of the limitations and problems which ignoring&lt;br /&gt;
 things can bring when taken too far or misplaced (e.g. &lt;br /&gt;
 ignoring the feelings of others, information about the&lt;br /&gt;
 world such as the history of oppressed peoples, and objects &lt;br /&gt;
 or complexes which interfere with our development).&lt;br /&gt;
 it is this type of 'misplaced ignorance' which people &lt;br /&gt;
 generally identify AS ignorance and of which they seek &lt;br /&gt;
 to rid themselves&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
when it comes time for personal refinement and spiritual&lt;br /&gt;
 growth, ignorance becomes very important. ignoring everything &lt;br /&gt;
 but what we've identified as the 'self' and ignoring the self &lt;br /&gt;
 for the benefit of others are both commonplace. meditation &lt;br /&gt;
 often involves the active focus on a single object, ignoring&lt;br /&gt;
 all competing perceptions; it is in fact a refinement&lt;br /&gt;
 of the ignoring skill so as to refrain from misplacing&lt;br /&gt;
 our application of it which provides the fuel for most&lt;br /&gt;
 mystical disciplines. we are taught INTENTIONAL ignorance&lt;br /&gt;
 in most spiritual practices, even while being taught that&lt;br /&gt;
 we are setting out to 'destroy ignorance'&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the history of religion with respect to ignorance is a litany&lt;br /&gt;
 of disrespect, demonization, and antagonism. in order to&lt;br /&gt;
 bolster the aspirant to combat misplaced ignorance, spiritual&lt;br /&gt;
 traditions assault ignorance as The Enemy, The Problem, and&lt;br /&gt;
 The Cause of All Our Ills, conveniently ignoring the fact&lt;br /&gt;
 that ignorance underlies all spiritual training and mature &lt;br /&gt;
 human experience. entertaining simplistic notions about the &lt;br /&gt;
 cosmos, we may rest easier in our ignorant certainty and &lt;br /&gt;
 supremacy&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
to take just two illustrations, the iconographic depictions &lt;br /&gt;
 of many Indian and Tibetan gods have them standing atop a dwarf &lt;br /&gt;
 or child (the famous Dancing Siva Nataraja for example) which&lt;br /&gt;
 is often said to symbolize 'victory over ignorance'. while this&lt;br /&gt;
 icon can be said to mean many things, inclusive of the &lt;br /&gt;
 possibility which I have been instructed that the gods &lt;br /&gt;
 themselves stand atop ignorance as their foundation (i.e.&lt;br /&gt;
 that without ignorance there would be no gods), tradition&lt;br /&gt;
 has it that these icons indicate that ignorance is to be &lt;br /&gt;
 dominated, destroyed, and eliminated even as a personal &lt;br /&gt;
 being (crushed out of existence; what this says about &lt;br /&gt;
 dwarves and how they should be treated I leave for others &lt;br /&gt;
 more persistent than I to pursue)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
another illustration is the way that 'vidya' is glorified in&lt;br /&gt;
 Indian and Asian traditions to the detriment of *a*vidya &lt;br /&gt;
 (sometimes personally, sometimes as just a metaphysical &lt;br /&gt;
 principle of perfection). pages and pages of sutras, hours and &lt;br /&gt;
 hours of lectures, detail the many fabulous qualities of what &lt;br /&gt;
 is often translated 'wisdom' and 'spiritual knowledge', but&lt;br /&gt;
 only those of the Avidyana tradition have come to understand&lt;br /&gt;
 the supreme importance of avidya.  faint exceptions to this&lt;br /&gt;
 are occasional reference in Zen Buddhism to a strong anti-&lt;br /&gt;
 intellectualism, or the wisdom of Laotse and his description&lt;br /&gt;
 of 'emptying the mind and filling the belly' (Tao Te Ching:&lt;br /&gt;
 this phrase describing how the sage should help the people,&lt;br /&gt;
 by emptying their minds and filling their bellies, is often &lt;br /&gt;
 ignored or passed off as a reference to emptying their minds&lt;br /&gt;
 of something specific like intrusive worries)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
traditional Buddhist teaching has it that avidya is the&lt;br /&gt;
 FOUNDATION of Conditioned Arising, the context within&lt;br /&gt;
 which most if not all sentient beings find ourselves,&lt;br /&gt;
 and this serves as the basis for the development of a &lt;br /&gt;
 series of 11 elaborations in a kind of 'Wheel of Samsara' &lt;br /&gt;
 (the 12-link Chain of Causation).  it is avidya which is &lt;br /&gt;
 given the place 'sin' has in Western religion -- the &lt;br /&gt;
 reason that spiritual and religious enterprises have &lt;br /&gt;
 become necessary and important&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
like sin in Western religion, very often the aspirant is&lt;br /&gt;
 told that avidya is a particular kind of ignorance&lt;br /&gt;
 (say, ignorance of the Real, or ignorance of the&lt;br /&gt;
 fabulous teachings of the Buddha or some bodhisattva)&lt;br /&gt;
 rather than ignorance as a whole, yet never is this&lt;br /&gt;
 general avidya described as necessary or integral to&lt;br /&gt;
 the human experience. the general concept (e.g. sin as&lt;br /&gt;
 'missing the mark' -- aiming for an ideal and failing to &lt;br /&gt;
 attain it; an event which happens to most people &lt;br /&gt;
 throughout their lives) is often left behind for&lt;br /&gt;
 some cosmic Bad Thing one does (e.g. against the dictates&lt;br /&gt;
 of the divine) or experiences. in the East the aspirant &lt;br /&gt;
 is told that hir ignorance is a kind of SICKNESS, and &lt;br /&gt;
 that the spiritual authority will attempt to help hir&lt;br /&gt;
 CURE hirself of it, remove its troublesome symptoms by &lt;br /&gt;
 addressing its root cause: ignorance&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
this medical-type assessment is accepted as a condition&lt;br /&gt;
 of ALL sentient beings by many Buddhists (&amp;quot;all life is &lt;br /&gt;
 suffering&amp;quot;) and it colours a sometimes dour and depressive &lt;br /&gt;
 vision of human and nonhuman life. instead of seeing &lt;br /&gt;
 ignorance as an important and necessary aspect of living &lt;br /&gt;
 in the world which is sometimes misapplied, it is treated &lt;br /&gt;
 like a 'problem' which must be solved in the same way that&lt;br /&gt;
 one must do penance for the sins one has committed&lt;br /&gt;
 (through one's own efforts, guided by the masters, one can &lt;br /&gt;
 be saved/cured/fixed)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the lack of understanding and the propaganda campaign&lt;br /&gt;
 surrounding ignorance merely attests to the severe&lt;br /&gt;
 lack of successful introspection taking place in the&lt;br /&gt;
 places of mystical development!&lt;br /&gt;
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