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		<title>Nagasiva at 10:56, 11 May 2024</title>
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		<updated>2024-05-11T10:56:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Nagasiva</name></author>
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		<title>Nagasiva: dozen cat</title>
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		<updated>2024-05-11T07:48:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;dozen cat&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Nagasiva</name></author>
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		<title>Nagasiva: formatted</title>
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		<updated>2019-08-07T21:36:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;formatted&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;PRE&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
those around me are bright and full of learning.  only I am dull&lt;br /&gt;
 and lacking in certainty.  day by day the scholars increase their&lt;br /&gt;
 store of knowledge, day by day I dispense with learning and&lt;br /&gt;
 decrepit assurances &lt;br /&gt;
	(a subterfuge of the Old Boy)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| Let me ask you a question:  If you were to come across a hungry man,&lt;br /&gt;
| would you feed him?  Or teach him how to fish?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would smile and say hello.  if he asks me for food I may give some&lt;br /&gt;
 food to him.  if he asks for more or how I came by mine, then I might&lt;br /&gt;
 instruct him on how to go about fishing (getting food).  the problem&lt;br /&gt;
 is that fishing is becoming more and more difficult to engage, the&lt;br /&gt;
 waters are turning sour because of all the fishers and industrious&lt;br /&gt;
 do-gooders are instructing the hordes to fish out the stream.  perhaps&lt;br /&gt;
 I would say 'no, I have no food for you' and send him on his way,&lt;br /&gt;
 watching to see if he is truly in need.  perhaps I would slap him&lt;br /&gt;
 with my zenschtick and wake him up somehow&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| Surely if he was&lt;br /&gt;
| hungry, he would appreciate food more.  But the gift of knowlage will&lt;br /&gt;
| keep him from hungering when you are no longer there to feed him.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
hunger in and of itself is not an evil.  avoiding it, we avoid discipline&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| I do not say feeding the man is wrong, as also I do not say that&lt;br /&gt;
| answering someone's questions with your idea's is wrong, but to show&lt;br /&gt;
| someone where to find the answers himself, to point him to the&lt;br /&gt;
| referance books or people where from you formed your opinions, and let&lt;br /&gt;
| him form his own, in that way he can understand and continue to learn&lt;br /&gt;
| in the future.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
this is a valuable argument.  the problem is that the popular texts and&lt;br /&gt;
 disempowering rhetoric propagate as 'knowledge' much more quickly than&lt;br /&gt;
 does any sort of revolutionary exposition of upaya.  exemplifying neither&lt;br /&gt;
 knowledge nor ignorance, pointing to neither certainty nor ambivalence,&lt;br /&gt;
 I walk along the sword bridge of tao&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| For all can be confused by other's opinions and&lt;br /&gt;
| beliefs, but it is very difficult to be confused by your own&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
beautiful!  if one has opinions and beliefs, then perhaps it is so.&lt;br /&gt;
 it can also be said that opinions and beliefs are the very SYMPTOMS &lt;br /&gt;
 of confusion and that the tao lies somewhere beyond these (p'u)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| In response to some questions, I would like to see postings of books&lt;br /&gt;
| and other referances, quotes and &amp;quot;first-hand&amp;quot; ideas (not answers).&lt;br /&gt;
| This helps me to understand and grow, as it would others.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have done this quite a few times.  what matter the authority as long&lt;br /&gt;
 as the response is sound?  sure, spew some Hui-neng, Liu Tzu or a bit&lt;br /&gt;
 of Legalism our way.  does this assist the reader any more than the&lt;br /&gt;
 blatant Answers from other quadrants?  perhaps those who do not &lt;br /&gt;
 provide Answers are the ones who know best (how not to know at all)&lt;br /&gt;
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