Ignorance - Revision history

Nagasiva: edited for salience

2025-07-09T18:24:07Z

edited for salience

@@ Line 76: / Line 76: @@
   it claim it will solve -- ignorance is also a concept. it is
   not the problem, and no amount of knowledge will 'cure' it
 </PRE>
 [[Category:Dozen]]
 [[Category:Public_Record]]

Nagasiva: record cat

2024-05-11T10:48:29Z

record cat

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:48, 11 May 2024
Line 104:		Line 104:

	[[Category:Dozen]]		[[Category:Dozen]]
			[[Category:Public_Record]]

Nagasiva: add to cat dozen

2024-05-11T03:00:33Z

add to cat dozen

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:00, 11 May 2024
Line 103:		Line 103:
	</PRE>		</PRE>

	Category:Dozen		[[Category:Dozen]]

Nagasiva: making category

2024-05-11T02:53:38Z

making category

← Older revision		Revision as of 02:53, 11 May 2024
Line 103:		Line 103:
	</PRE>		</PRE>

	:Category:Dozen		Category:Dozen

Nagasiva at 02:51, 11 May 2024

2024-05-11T02:51:06Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 02:51, 11 May 2024
Line 102:		Line 102:
	of those to whom you sent the original		of those to whom you sent the original
	</PRE>		</PRE>

			:Category:Dozen

Nagasiva: typo

2019-07-15T09:29:55Z

typo

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:29, 15 July 2019
Line 16:		Line 16:
	ignorance makes enlightenment possible. being able to ignore some		ignorance makes enlightenment possible. being able to ignore some
	portion of the cosmos allows maturation and, when refined, meditation.		portion of the cosmos allows maturation and, when refined, meditation.
	removing it ignorance would merely result in an oceanic disorientation		removing ignorance would merely result in an oceanic disorientation

	re childhood		re childhood

Nagasiva: first record

2019-07-15T09:28:41Z

first record

← Older revision	Revision as of 09:28, 15 July 2019
Line 1:	Line 1:
		<PRE>
		Ignorance the Fall Guy


		\| Removing Ignorance IS Enlightenment

		refutation:

		Ignorance IS the Fall Guy for Overintellectualism

		\| our concept of Enlightenment remains, deep down, "Not me, not this
		\| time, not this life, it's too big, I'm not good enough!" ...the
		\| only thing that stands in the way of Enlightenment is ignorance.
		\| ...ignorance as in a lack of knowledge....

		ignorance makes enlightenment possible. being able to ignore some
		portion of the cosmos allows maturation and, when refined, meditation.
		removing it ignorance would merely result in an oceanic disorientation

		re childhood
		\| ...Your ignorance was replaced by proper, though conceptual knowledge
		\| of a thing....

		a crude and inadequately particular conceptual system which functions
		as a linguistic association schema allowing the categorization of
		perceived phenomena, not the assimilation of experience

		\| ...Enlightenment, as most people understand it, is also a
		\| misconception. It is a misconception based on the larger
		\| misconception of who one truly is. So when people start seeking
		\| Enlightenment, from the very beginning they are too often looking
		\| for the wrong thing or in the wrong direction....

		an 'experience' rather than a fundamental shift in consciousness

		\| ...Enlightenment is a concept.

		the concept of enlightenment is a concept, the phenomenon of
		enlightenment (nirvana) is not

		\| You are a concept, or who you think you are is.

		thoughts about ANYTHING are conceptual

		\| To find out who you really are, to directly experience who you
		\| truly are, the first and most important thing is to give up all
		\| of your concepts of who you think you are. You must be freed
		\| from all of your misconceptions to recognize Truth.

		misconceptions must indeed fall away, but "giving them up" while
		stuck in modes of conceptualization is nearly impossible

		\| when you remove all un-reality, what you have left is Reality.

		by definition, but these too are merely concepts

		\| ...when you have released all misconceptions about who you are,
		\| let go of who you're not, what is left is That which you are!

		"letting go of" this is not so easy as it might at first seem,
		but much more simple than can be conceptualized

		\| The difficulty is that we believe our survival is based on
		\| who we think we are, and that if we give that up we'll die.

		the existential quandry doesn't really lead to death, it leads
		to uncertainty and the quagmire of philosophic agnosticism,
		a horror so palpably challenging that all hallowed authorities
		must be destroyed in order to engage it

		\| Guess what, you will. But only to ignorance. And you'll be
		\| reborn to Truth.

		here, truly, is the epistophilic dream -- one founded on falsity,
		based on the very intellectual dualism which those who espouse
		it claim it will solve -- ignorance is also a concept. it is
		not the problem, and no amount of knowledge will 'cure' it

		\| ______________________
		\| If you know anyone who you think would like to receive our spiritual
		\| sharings, feel free to forward this to them, or send our email
		\| address to them or theirs to us.

		please refrain from sending such things to this address.
		they will be posted to Usenet with refutation otherwise

		\| If you wish to be removed, just send us an email at:
		\| atma@teleport.com
		\| saying you would like to be removed, and we will, we promise.

		it is impolite to place someone on a mailing list without their
		request and make them responsible for stopping the spammage;
		imagine if someone came up to your supposedly false self and
		began to blabber at you until you requested them to stop

		\| ******************************************************************
		\| The ATMA Institute is dedicated to the exploration of consciousness,
		\| Pure Awareness & Self Realization. Feel free to browse ATMA's Home
		\| page at http://www.teleport.com/~atma/

		if you are really dedicated to this, then send this response to all
		of those to whom you sent the original
		</PRE>

Nagasiva: Blanked the page

2019-07-15T09:25:15Z

Blanked the page

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:25, 15 July 2019
Line 1:		Line 1:
	~~<P Align="right">~~
	~~[[deliberate neglect\|Deliberate neglect]] of [[the real]].<BR>~~
	~~This is intentionally different than <i>incidental</i> neglect,<BR>~~
	~~which is feared and demonized to the point that [[ignoring]] things is lost as a skill<BR>~~
	~~or dualistically and artificially divided out from [[meditation]].</P>~~

Nagasiva: ignoring neglect deliberate

2019-07-15T07:18:37Z

ignoring neglect deliberate

← Older revision		Revision as of 07:18, 15 July 2019
Line 2:		Line 2:
	[[deliberate neglect\|Deliberate neglect]] of [[the real]].<BR>		[[deliberate neglect\|Deliberate neglect]] of [[the real]].<BR>
	This is intentionally different than <i>incidental</i> neglect,<BR>		This is intentionally different than <i>incidental</i> neglect,<BR>
	which is feared and demonized to the point that [[ignoring ~~things~~]] is lost as a skill<BR>		which is feared and demonized to the point that [[ignoring]] things is lost as a skill<BR>
	or dualistically and artificially divided out from [[meditation]].</P>		or dualistically and artificially divided out from [[meditation]].</P>

Nagasiva: dD

2019-07-15T07:16:26Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 07:16, 15 July 2019
Line 1:		Line 1:
	<P Align="right">		<P Align="right">
	[[~~Deliberate~~ neglect\|~~deliberate~~ neglect]] of [[the real]].<BR>		[[deliberate neglect\|Deliberate neglect]] of [[the real]].<BR>
	This is intentionally different than <i>incidental</i> neglect,<BR>		This is intentionally different than <i>incidental</i> neglect,<BR>
	which is feared and demonized to the point that [[ignoring things]] is lost as a skill<BR>		which is feared and demonized to the point that [[ignoring things]] is lost as a skill<BR>
	or dualistically and artificially divided out from [[meditation]].</P>		or dualistically and artificially divided out from [[meditation]].</P>